Greg Ranjitsingh - NYCFC’s Newest Addition, MLS Pool Contracts & Louisville City Legendary Stories - E15

Jamil and Dom welcome New York City FC goalkeeper Greg Ranjitsingh into the Back Stick Studio this week! A seasoned MLS & USL goalkeeper who shares his journey through the leagues. We discuss Greg's recent move to New York City FC, the challenges (both logistical and financial) of relocating with a family to the big apple. We delve into his early career at Louisville City FC, and a crazy time playing with no coach?! Greg discusses the unique experience of being a pool goalkeeper in the MLS, the ups and downs of contract negotiations, and the importance of maintaining a strong support system in professional sports. Greg was lucky enough to share the field with legends of the game such as Nani, Lorenzo Insigne & Federico Bernardeschi, we discuss what they were like as people, sharing the locker room and swapping some brilliant stories. 

00:00 Intro & Shoutout Paco Craig!

02:50 Signing With NYCFC & Living In New York

08:36 Starting Career at Louisville City FC

14:10 Transition To Orlando City

15:11 Lou City: Winning A USL Title Without A Coach?!

22:55 The MLS Pool Goalkeeper Experience

32:52 The Harsh Reality Of Soccer Contracts & Uncertain Futures

40:56 Extra Time

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Transcript

Jamil Roberts (00:00)
Hello everyone and welcome to the Backstik Podcast. I'm Jamil Roberts and I'm joined here as usual by Mr. Dom Ocas. Dom, it's been a couple of weeks mate. How you been?

Dom Okus (00:12)
Yeah, good bro, good bro. The weather in Austin's been weird, man. It was super cold at the beginning of the year, but yesterday it was 85 degrees Fahrenheit, which is what, like 30 degrees Celsius. I was helping my friend move and we didn't have a dolly, so I'm lifting beds and drawers and frames down two flats of stairs. I'm all sweating. Yeah, exactly. But she paid us all in Chick-fil-A, so I'll take that. I'll take that. But...

Jamil Roberts (00:32)
Good job you've been going, Jim.

can't

go wrong.

Dom Okus (00:41)
Yeah, yeah, but all good, mate. All good, mate. How are you? How are you?

Jamil Roberts (00:45)
Alright mate, it sounds like you've had a busy couple of days, I've had a busy couple of weeks mate. I've just started some new work. Started out with my new team back here in England. We've travelled to away games in last two weeks, up in London, back down. I'm at home right now, I'm away with work for the next couple of days. I've got the pleasure of going in to speak to the Birmingham boys, the under 18s, the under 21s.

about the possibility of them moving over to the States maybe in the future and yes, it's just, it's a busy time but I'm glad that we can get back to what we do and that's recording the pod and I guess that's why everyone's here. So without further ado, it's my pleasure to introduce today's guest, so.

Dom Okus (01:29)
that way.

Jamil Roberts (01:38)
He's been around the block, shall we say. He's a seasoned MLS goalkeeper. He's had time in the USL. He's a former Mercer University goalkeeper. So yeah, it's my pleasure to introduce Greg Ranjit Singh to the pod. Greg, how are you, mate?

Gregory (01:57)
I'm good, good. Thanks for having me on guys. I appreciate that.

Dom Okus (02:00)
Of course, of course, course. And before we just jump into it, Jams, I do got to give a big shout out to my bro Paco, who connected the two of us. So obviously you're teammates at Louisville. I know Paco, I've known Paco what, 10, 15 years from his time playing at West Ham, my brother. So got a shout out to the boy every time, man.

Jamil Roberts (02:09)
Mm-hmm.

Gregory (02:11)
Yes,

Shout out Paco, man. That's a real one for me.

Dom Okus (02:22)
Biss

you out. Biss you out. Biss out.

Jamil Roberts (02:24)
You know, I've

heard Paco's name so many times now and I've still never met him, still never spoke to him, but I feel like I know everything about him. I'm boys of all his boys, like, you know, he's sorting us out on a pod. Like, it feels like he's my boy already, so.

Gregory (02:32)
Ha ha ha ha ha

Dom Okus (02:38)
Yeah, Yeah, nice.

He's a top guy.

Gregory (02:43)
Haha.

Dom Okus (02:43)
He's a top guy. I'm sure we'll get him on the pod sooner or later.

Jamil Roberts (02:47)
Yeah,

yeah, no definitely mate definitely but Greg so so obviously we were chatting just just there on before we started recording you were saying that you just made the move to New York and it's been a bit of a nightmare you know like with the house and the situation and whatnot but just kind of give us a little quick overview obviously you just signed for NYCFC you know are you excited for that move is you know

Gregory (03:04)
Hahaha

Jamil Roberts (03:16)
But what challenges does that also face? know, people don't often think about everything else that comes with it. They just think that you're gonna stick your gloves on, go out and train, and then you might get three points on the weekend. But like, you know, just all the little things have gone into it that make it such a challenge of moving year on year or every two years. know, what kind of... Tell us a little bit about that.

Dom Okus (03:18)
Thanks

Gregory (03:38)
Yeah, so I mean, obviously, when I got the opportunity to come to New York, I was like, all right, New York, like one of my favorite cities ever, always, always visited with my wife. It's both of our favorite cities. And so we were like, super excited about the move. But obviously, like now at this stage in my career, two kids, obviously my wife and in the past two years, we were in Toronto and we kind of like settled in because that's that's home for us. We bought a place.

finally done after like a nightmare of renovations and, and now we got to get up and move. And so, yeah, it's a little bit of a logistical nightmare. Like, I mean, you hear New York, it sounds amazing, but like when you actually got to live there and like, you're scrolling through Zillow or whatever it is, you're seeing like, rahh like the rents are kind of crazy here. Like maybe I could, like, could I squeeze, could I squeeze my kids into that? Like, you know, like you're looking at a place and I'm like, that price is kind of mad. Like, and so that part's been.

Dom Okus (04:25)
What

Yeah.

Gregory (04:35)
It's been a little hard for us to kind of find an apartment. So I'm still in that process right now. But I mean, yeah, other than that, logistic stuff, obviously they'll take care of themselves, but I'm super excited to get here. Obviously New York City FC, like a couple of years ago won MLS Cup, part of City Group. And so, you know, a lot of the players that are coming in and out of the club, like super talented. And so just to be a part of this organization, obviously very excited. And yeah, it's New York, man. What's not to love about New York?

Yeah, once we get all that logistical stuff out of the way, I think I'm really going to enjoy it. yeah, I'm super excited about it.

Jamil Roberts (05:05)
Yeah, man.

Yeah, mate. Yeah, I think, uh, clean up house first and then, and then the rest of it will all fall into place. I've only, I haven't spent too much time in New York. I don't know about yourself, Dom, but the only time I did, it was in a pre, it was college pre-season and we went over and we played a couple of teams. went there for, I think we went there for like eight or nine days. And, we were staying just outside the city. Can't remember exactly. Um, but there was two lads from Long Island on the team. Obviously knew the city well and everything.

Gregory (05:18)
Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (05:42)
And on the last day we played, so yeah our last night we played Seton Hall on I think it was a Friday morning. Who's schedule was the last game? Realistically, I mean maybe the gaffer did it on purpose I don't know. He scheduled it for 11 o'clock in the morning and then you know he like they put on this like a boat tour of New York, we've seen Empire State, Brooklyn Bridge, all this that and the other.

Gregory (06:04)
you

Jamil Roberts (06:10)
And that all, we were finished up, wrapped up at about 3 o'clock. And then they just said, alright lads, like you've got the day to yourselves, you can kind of go, go get up to no good, go do whatever you want, as long as you're back, back here, I don't know where it was, wherever we were meeting up, I think it was at like half 9, 10 o'clock. So, obviously, what else am I gonna do at 3 o'clock? I'm in New York for the next 6 hours, like...

So I've just basically been drawn in by the two lads John Papas and Chris Tavey and one of the one of the lads Kiwi fella joined us and the four of us just went on it. We just went barker all Time square the lot just Hop in for seven hours straight and and in our heads we were like everyone must be doing this like this Mate we we meet up with the rest of the boys I've got two brown bags with beers in my hands like it's like stumbling in

Gregory (06:52)
Ha ha ha.

Jamil Roberts (07:07)
and everyone's been just sightseeing for the whole day and I've never felt like more of a degenerate in me life.

Gregory (07:14)
Hahaha.

Jamil Roberts (07:16)
I'm sneaking them into the subway like this, like trying to sip them behind the blackboard.

Gregory (07:20)
haha

Dom Okus (07:22)
You're an idiot. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. But no, I love New York, mate. I love New York. It feels like London. Obviously, born and raised in London. And I spent a lot of time in New York. One of my close friends is from New York, from the Bronx. So I spent a lot of time there. I spent a lot of time in Brooklyn. Like, great. Like, lots of culture, lots of great food, fashion, nights out, music, everything, like.

Gregory (07:25)
Ha ha.

Dom Okus (07:46)
It's kind of, you know, one of the pinnacles, what I would say of culture in the US, that is the New York, right? You can get a little bit of everything. So yeah, you're in a good place, which I'm sure you're already aware of.

Gregory (07:56)
Yeah, no for sure.

Jamil Roberts (07:58)
Have you

looked to get any gigs up in New York? Would that be a goal for you, Dom?

Dom Okus (08:02)
Yeah, yeah, I actually know a few DJs out in New York. For the listeners who don't know, I DJ down here in Austin, Texas. So if you're ever looking for a vibe, it's Englishdom on Instagram. But yeah, I know a few DJs out in New York, so I would love to. That would be amazing. Yeah, I would love to.

Jamil Roberts (08:17)
Yeah, that'll be sick.

I see a lot of the rooftop parties in New York and whatnot and I can see you turning up there to be fair. Alright, nah, but we'll get back to the subject of the pod and obviously we touched on New York there and I'm sure we'll jump a little bit deeper into it later in the show, but I wanted to sort of take it back and obviously take it back to the time where, you know, your career really kicked off, right? So you left Mercer.

Dom Okus (08:22)
Yeah.

Gregory (08:25)
haha

Jamil Roberts (08:45)
And you landed a Lou city, which let's be honest Not a bad place for you to land coming into your first year as a pro, right? Like I I'm not sure the The what the foundations were of the club at that time But certainly you look at the way the club has developed now like it that's a proper football club. That's that's a club Especially in the USL landscape. It does things right. It's an amazing place to play you know they've got everything set and

you know, in my opinion I think they're one of the only USL clubs that runs themselves like an MLS franchise. But just talk to us a little bit about that sort of experience and you know, what you learn, obviously it's your first year pro, first couple of years pro, so going into that environment as a young lad and sort of figuring things out.

Gregory (09:34)
Yeah, honestly, it seems like ages ago, man. I was like 11 years ago is when I first got into Lucid. But yeah, just coming out of college, like finished up the season. So it's like December, November time, go home and like, I really have nothing sorted just like was going to finish up school online. I was going to cope in a trial a few places and

I still really didn't like know about the USL that well. Just knew about MLS and obviously that was a difficult one to get into. Just based off like my college and how things went. so, man, I was home just training with my Academy team for like weeks on end. Just like hoping something would fall through. I'd hear something from an agent I was working with. And then I just kind of took things into my own hand and I just sent out like a mass email blast out to like

every single USL team in the league and no one got back to me except for Lou City. A week later they're like, hey, and I don't even think I emailed the right person. I might've emailed the ticketing person or something. It got through, it just got to them. It was destiny, Told me to come out for a trial and obviously a new team that year. so I go out there and it's all new faces and they're just trying to figure out the landscape there.

Jamil Roberts (10:38)
Hahaha

Dom Okus (10:39)
Peace.

Gregory (10:56)
how they're going to kind of continue with this club and, you know, a couple of weeks of trial and it went well and signed my first contract there. yeah, it was, was honestly, I don't want to say like it was, was, was lucky that I landed there, but like, I'm super grateful that I did because like, see what they are today. Like, as you explained, like they're one of the top clubs and I'm super grateful that I was kind of one of the ones that, and along with a lot of like the other OG guys that are kind of built Louisville city in that way, because

It was brand new and credit to James O'Connor, who maybe you guys know, he's the president there now, but he was a gaffer at the time. And he like took so much care in like building this roster around like personnel and characters and building the culture first before the football. And so that kind of like drove us through the, the first initial years. And you could tell like already in like the first two years we made it to Eastern conference finals. And then the next two that I was there.

we actually ended up winning it. And so I feel like the success of like those first initial years and just getting it right from the beginning was kind of like, we kind of built this blueprint into like what they are now. And so you see the stadium and the players are able to recruit now and just just have this reputation. And so when I look at the club now, I'm like, I feel like I feel good about it because I felt like I was kind of the ones that helped build that. so yeah, Lou City, mean, just.

lifelong friends there and such a successful club. yeah, just nothing but great things to say about that place.

Dom Okus (12:32)
That's amazing.

Jamil Roberts (12:32)
Yeah,

that's so good. You know, I can't believe that All of that happened because you emailed the fucking ticket office Like that's good eyes and that's a nut story, you know because you know the amount of footballers that do that like whether it be on LinkedIn nowadays, obviously that's more prominent or like

Gregory (12:42)
Yeah, yeah.

Jamil Roberts (12:57)
You know, Greg, sure you, like, I've had the same ones, just young lads messaging you on Instagram or can't even imagine how many assistant coaches they're getting in college or in the pros getting emails, highlight tapes, everything, CV sent to them. And they actually looked at yours and went, yeah, might as well bring him in through the door. And then he ended up winning two of them at USL Cups. it's mad.

Gregory (13:16)
Yeah.

Dom Okus (13:21)
of this.

Gregory (13:22)
Honestly

Dom Okus (13:22)
Bro, it's mad some of the stories we hear, right, of like, think folks think when they look at professional football, they think it's like this super clean, organised, nailed down thing, but it's not. It's like, you might have some random person calls you in connection with this person, you go on trial here, you think you're going to get signed, end up going somewhere else, like all of these things, it's crazy. But it just shows how, like,

It's a little bit of talent, also a lot of luck and that fortune, right? Because what if the person had just not seen your email? Would you even be at New York City today? It's mad. It's actually really mad. It's mad, it's crazy. But you touched on a little bit there about James O'Connor. And I know a little bit about him because obviously Paco played under him and he speaks really, really well of him. And I think that's kind of a good transition into your next move, right? So I think...

Gregory (13:54)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (13:59)
Yeah, literally.

Dom Okus (14:15)
James leaves, kind of goes to the MLS Orlando city and then takes you with him. Is that right?

Gregory (14:21)
Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah.

Dom Okus (14:23)
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about that story and how that kind of came together.

Gregory (14:27)
Yeah. obviously James, yeah, he's a top figure in my career, honestly, because he really helped me out into like my transition from USL into MLS. Obviously spent four years with him in Louisville city and yeah, won, well, won one USL cup with him. then in the second year, this was, so one with him in 2017 and 2018 is halfway through the year is when he made his move to Orlando city.

And so we finished off that year with John Hackworth when he had moved on. And actually, man, there was like a two months period where we were just coached by ourselves. We just had three senior players coach us. So that was a mad year, but he moved on. then, yeah, the triumvirate, that's legendary. That's triumvirate, legendary.

Jamil Roberts (15:11)
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on a minute. Hang on a minute.

Dom Okus (15:13)
Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, on. Hold on, time out, time out. Time

Jamil Roberts (15:22)
Wait How what has happened here

Dom Okus (15:22)
out, time out, what?

Gregory (15:26)
Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'll touch on that

too. Yeah. So James moves on to Orlando City 2018 and we're in a good way. Like Louisville cities, we're moving, we're getting wins. we're moving good. And we're trying to figure out like, guess ownership is trying to figure out how we're going to move forward. Like James has been the guy for us for, since the beginning when the club was created. And so, you know, they, I guess they didn't want to rush into a coach and because we were so

Dom Okus (15:29)
You

Gregory (15:55)
Like as a team, were so close. Like, I mean, I'm telling you, I don't think there's ever a locker room in football like this locker room. Like it was just, it was different. Like we were family on and off the pitch. so for two months we had three senior players. was Luke Spencer, Paolo Del Piccolo and George Davis. And they just coached us. Like they just took, you know, a little bit more responsibility and they were doing the video and

Like, yeah, we were just coaching ourselves basically, but they took a lot of the workload and we were still getting wins with them. it was a crazy time because like you're moving on without a gaffer.

Jamil Roberts (16:35)
Wait, so were they named as like the coaches?

Gregory (16:41)
Yeah, we called him like the triumvirate. Like it was just like two months of them just like taking over the team. Like, and Luke was, Luke was injured at the time. And I think like he would obviously be the guy on the sidelines, which is mad because he subbed himself into a game on like, I think one of the last games he subbed himself in Gaffer subbed himself in like, yeah. So yeah, it was, that was, that was special, honestly. Like I don't think any other team could do that, but, that Lou City 2018.

Dom Okus (16:44)
Hahaha!

Well.

Gregory (17:09)
It was a time honestly, like it's hard to really explain without like actually being in that room and like being there was, it was crazy, Imagine three of your teammates just like being the gaffer for like two months. like, mean, no assistant, no like nothing. Like it's just the players and we're just like, just running it ourselves.

Jamil Roberts (17:18)
Bye.

Wait, so

I played against Paolo D'Opicolo quite a few times and obviously he's just recently retired and taken the Academy Director job, he, Lucy? But, so how old were these lads when they were doing it? Like, they're obviously, they must have been like late 20s, early 30s, just being just out of nowhere told that you're gonna be the, like, you're gonna coach the team.

Gregory (17:38)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, mean, definitely in the 20s. think George might've been like 31 or like 32, which is like my age right now. And I could never picture myself just like a gaffer leaving and then like, just like, all right guys, like this is what we're doing, you know? And so yeah, were like, yeah, they were young to be doing that. but it just worked. don't know, man. That locker room was just, it was special, man. I'm telling you. There's a reason.

Dom Okus (18:20)
question I have is like, obviously,

like let's say we're all teammates, right? And then I become the gaffer. I've got to leave folks out. So that me and you, John, might be best mates off the pitch or whatever we go on that stuff together. And I'm actually, I've got to leave you out. So how was that dynamic in that? Did it work better because it was three of them, right? So wasn't just one person that people could get annoyed with. They knew it was kind of a calibrated decision. And so folks were okay with being maybe left out or being substituted and all of that stuff.

Gregory (18:49)
Yeah, I I don't know, like I never really spoke to any of the guys about that. I was the goalkeeper, know, so like obviously I'd been playing throughout the season. I was the one there. And so like, I guess I didn't experience that, but I don't know. That would be an interesting question to ask some of the guys, but it seemed like, I don't know, we, we like even with our strikers when they were there, it it was, was Luke. It was Ilya Illich and it was Cameron Lancaster. And obviously Luke was injured at the time.

Dom Okus (18:55)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Gregory (19:18)
But like the relationship between all three of them, like didn't matter who played, like they just got on so well. Like the chemistry was just there. And like, like I said, like it was a brotherhood, honestly, like we were a family. And so I don't know, guess guys took it. Obviously you always want to play, but I guess guys understood like what the goal was. And so if it was your name on the team sheet, then like you were just going to go out there and play and support the guy that was going to eventually come into the game or come into the roster, whatever it was. So.

It worked. I mean, it worked for two months and then obviously they brought in John, John Hackworth to kind of seal things up. But I thought it was a time, man. That a lot of time, man.

Jamil Roberts (19:48)
Yeah.

It sounds fun it's a testament to like the professionalism also like you touch on the brotherhood of the locker room just kind of last thing before we kind of leave this and move back to James O'Connor, but When they came in I mean I say when they came in when the lads stepped up shall we say to take that like more senior coaching role Did they just did they change much did they have to change much or you know from the manager before was it more like just steady the ship and kind of keep the

Dom Okus (19:56)
Crazy.

Jamil Roberts (20:25)
what you were doing, you know, was there any big changes they tried to make? Because it sounds to me like you guys were already winning, like as long as you just keep doing what you're doing before, you're gonna keep winning.

Gregory (20:30)
No.

Yeah, they, um, and obviously James had helped them as well and kind of gave them a little bit of the blueprint of how he would do things. And so they just carried on with that. Um, and it was a lot because James is obviously very like, he worked extremely hard. Like he was in the office like all day, all night. And so they kind of used his way of coaching and analyzing, you know, the match. And so it was, it was a lot for them. I remember them saying like they would be.

just completely gassed at the end of the day because they'd be looking at all the game footage and looking at training. And so they just took James O'Connor's way and enrolled with it. yeah, was just more of just like steadying up the ship, letting things continue to feel as normal as they could be throughout the next period until they found the new coach. But it worked out. We still got results and we ended up winning that year still. So yeah, I guess you can't really say it didn't work.

Dom Okus (21:35)
Unbelievable. Class.

Jamil Roberts (21:40)
I still think that's mind-blowing like genuinely genuinely like if my gaffer got sacked tomorrow and like two other senior like like I don't know I think I would struggle as a player in that because because I know you touched on like you know leaving people out. I would be thinking can I banter him anymore like you know what mean like because because like that's sort of who I am in the changing room like I'm not not a serious cat around a changing room whatsoever

Dom Okus (21:42)
It was mad, didn't it? Mad. Mad.

Gregory (21:43)
Yeah.

Dom Okus (21:58)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jamil Roberts (22:08)
And then all of sudden if I can't like, you know, tell him like, it's gear shit or like, you know, it's just something like that. It wouldn't sit right with me, I don't know. But, yeah. But nah, credit to a lot of you man, because that's, that's a... That's something, something that you, I guess, that will stay with you forever, right? Like, you can win titles, but that, that in general, like, that's something that you'll, you'll meet up for a beer when you're in your 40s and your 50s or whatever and you'll laugh about that and say, how the fuck did we win and we didn't even have a fucking coach?

Dom Okus (22:12)
Hehehehehe

Gregory (22:14)
Hahaha

Dom Okus (22:17)
Yeah.

Ha ha ha ha!

Gregory (22:38)
Yeah,

Jamil Roberts (22:38)
You

Gregory (22:40)
I'm telling you, that locker room was like special. Like I'll never experience something like that again, I don't think. I don't think many other people will. Like it was just, there's just no words to describe that locker room. You just had to be in it, honestly.

Jamil Roberts (22:52)
And that's special man Okay, so yeah, I guess we'll bring it back to sort of the timeline and whatnot and you know You mentioned James O'Connor and the the transition to the MLS and with Orlando But one thing that we wanted to get into because it's a subject that I'm not sure many people Kind of have too much of an insight into and really I mean, I'll be upfront and honest. I didn't even know existed until you know

I was looking into you and sort of this episode and whatnot. So the MLS pool Obviously you spent time there and From reading up on it mate, it seems bonkers like You'd am I right in thinking that you literally Someone picked up the phone and you had to be somewhere to go play on the weekend And then you might be somewhere else the next weekend or whatever just kind of what? How did you fall into that?

Gregory (23:51)
Yeah,

honestly,

Jamil Roberts (23:52)
And how does it make any

sense to anyone? Just try and try and... For me!

Dom Okus (23:54)
you

Gregory (23:56)
I'll wait

till I tell you like, doesn't make any sense, but here's what happened. So I signed in Philly in 2021 with the idea that they had Andre Blake there. was Andre Blake, Matt Fries, Joe Bendick. That's who their roster was. And that was a gold cup year. So Andre was going to be leaving for a gold cup, but it was also an Olympic year. so Matt Fries was with the USU 23s. And so if they had qualified, then he would have been gone for the summer as well. So they needed an extra keeper.

And so they brought me into preseason, did well, and they signed me. And this is like, they signed me a week before, like the deciding match of the US U-23s in their qualification. And then the blues in, and so they don't go to the Olympics. And so now I'm like, sat here in this like group of four keepers with an idea of like, okay, maybe I'll get a chance in the summertime to...

Maybe get some games or, you know, be closer to the roster or whatever it is. And I don't because obviously Matt freeze is going to stick around and they have already Joe Bendick. And so I was like, all right, well, it's good that, know, I'm still in the MLS, let's still have this contract, but I kind of have to figure out like throughout the year, my next move. And so, um, the GM there at the time had brought this idea to me as like this MLS pool goalkeeper. that like, would, it kind of worked with like what I.

Like my situation because obviously I was the fourth at the time and with the pool goalkeeper, if a team had injuries and they were only left with like one goalkeeper on the roster, I would be the guy that would go and like fill in. And so no one really even knew that I switched my contract. Like I just signed it like in the background and I was still based in Philly until one day, like Orlando city has, it's one of the guys there gets injured and then.

They see like on Twitter, like Orlando city has called in pool goalkeeper, Greg Ranjitson. And it's like, what the hell? I thought you guys, I thought you were on our team. And then all of sudden I'm like off to Orlando with them for a week because they need someone to, you know, be with them. So yeah, it was mad. So I did Orlando for a week. It was crazy because I was there for two games. The day of the second game, I look at my phone and like, I'm getting a call from the GM from LAFC. And I'm like,

What's this? Well, like what's going on here? And so he's like, Hey, listen, like one of our goalkeepers has broke his like broke his nose. And so like, need you here in LA. And so this whole time, like I signed this pool goalkeeper contract and I never had to use it until literally these two weeks in the middle of the season that like just so happened back to back team leading me. So flew to Orlando flew to LAFC, which honestly was a blessing in disguise because at the time Bob Bradley was the coach and had a good week of training.

Staff really liked me and then they got the gig in Toronto the end of that year. And so that was kind of like my audition that I didn't even know was going to be my audition for them. And so that kind of landed me in Toronto for the next year. So the pool goalkeeper situation was honestly a blessing in disguise because it got me in front of like other coaches. But I will say there was one instance. This is mad. At the end of the year, this is is mad. So Portland, they were down to

Okay, they had their two goalkeepers and I think they had one young guy maybe he was injured at the time, but they also had a pool goalkeeper that was situated with them. Like Portland had a pool goalkeeper, didn't know he was in the pool, but he was signed to a pool contract and they had an injury and so they called me like, listen, like one of our goalkeepers, we don't think he can make the game they roster, we need you to fly in.

But they had the pool, like they had one on the, on the roster, like pool goalkeeper. they go and say, technically he's only allowed to be a pool goalkeeper for the Canadian teams. And I was like the American teams pool goalkeeper. And so this guy was already there, but I had to fly across the country because like he wasn't eligible to just like go into the roster. So I fly from Philly to Vegas spend like, because there was no, there was no,

Jamil Roberts (28:06)
This is fucking nuts man

Gregory (28:13)
flights direct to Portland in the time I needed to. I flew from Philly to Vegas, stayed in the hotel, like the airport for a couple hours, Vegas to Portland. I get there. Goalkeeper says he's good. The guy got injured. says, nah, I'm good. He says, he says, he says, says, nah, I'm good. Strapped up his ankle in the game. So I'm this, I just did this whole mad travel just to sit in the box and watch the game and then fly back that night. So it does come with like.

Jamil Roberts (28:25)
No, no.

Dom Okus (28:36)
Hmm.

Gregory (28:40)
Yeah, the pool goalkeeper stitches mad like I did. did some crazy stuff for it. But at the end of the day, like I got that time in LFC that gave me my contract in Toronto. So I'll say it's a blessing in disguise. It was all worth it.

Dom Okus (28:53)
So like, just taking a step back, so the MLS pool, because there's like, I'm rattled, I understand why Jan was stuttering earlier, it's like, what is this thing? Right, your current team, so Philly pays your contract, but you're just part of this pool that basically allows you to go on loan for a week or two to another team that needs you. But is that fair or no?

Jamil Roberts (28:56)
Yeah.

Gregory (29:08)
Yeah.

So it's like, so I was obviously Philly. I had my contract with Philly and then I changed it to a pool, but every, all the contracts come through like the league. And so the league was paying me, but I was just because like, I guess I was a Philly player. was based, I was based in Philly now, you know? And so every time I'd have to go do a, like a pool gig, like it was Orlando, LFC, Portland. Like once I was in like, like once they had enough keepers,

Dom Okus (29:27)
Well...

Okay.

Gregory (29:45)
for them to like push on, I had to go back to Philly. I had to fly back. Because Portland asked if I could stick around and train, but I wasn't allowed to. I had to like fly back to Philly. So that was like my home team. And so, yeah, that's kind of how it worked.

Dom Okus (29:58)
Interesting. Very, very interesting. like, and then sorry, sorry, the pool thing as well. So are you only going to basically be on the bench? So like, let's say they have, they've got one keeper, obviously you need to have two keepers on game day. So you're just going to be on the bench just in case the keeper that plays gets injured and then obviously they have backup. Is that, is that the case?

Gregory (30:00)
Yeah, I'm a less man.

Jamil Roberts (30:01)
way.

Gregory (30:20)
Yeah,

yeah, yeah, that's pretty much how it is. Unless like, say, like both the senior keepers get injured, and then like they're only left with like one young one. And then maybe if they don't feel comfortable with the like this, putting the young guy in that situation, maybe the pool keeper can come in and play the game. But yeah, usually it's both in my situation, I went there and sat the bench for for the goalkeepers there. Yeah.

Dom Okus (30:46)
interesting and

Jamil Roberts (30:47)
So these are the are you signing are you signing on loan or? Because I know I know that the MLS like you said like that you're contracted to the league in this instance So do you you signing like a separate loan deal every time you go away? Or is it or is it literally just like pack your things and like the MLS just kind of changes your registration for the weekend?

Dom Okus (30:47)
it's got no good

Gregory (30:58)
Hmm.

Yeah, I think that's what it is. think that is the MLS does something. just, they told me to be there. I just packed in my bag and went there. I didn't have to like sign anything extra. think the MLS is though, it's honestly the days of the pool. Like I've heard some crazy stories, honestly, but that's pretty much how it went. But the days of the pool goalkeeper are gone just cause they have like, obviously MLS next, you can do like a short-term agreements now. And there's just more like the player pool is a lot bigger for organization. So, but yeah, that's basically how it went. It was like.

Dom Okus (31:17)
You

Gregory (31:38)
I wouldn't say it was like a, it was alone. was just more of like a, like you said, like a re-registration type thing.

Dom Okus (31:43)
Well.

Gregory (31:46)
Not. But you know what though, it was good. It was good for me because it just worked out that one of my best friends like in football, name's Adam Grin was he was in Orlando. I was, were together in Orlando actually. And he'd come back from like a really bad ACL injury. And it was, it was the game that he like, it was his first game back from that injury in Orlando. And so it was good for me to like go there and like be there for his first game back from his in like, I was like,

Dom Okus (31:47)
And it's only, and it's only for God.

Gregory (32:14)
his backer for that game just to see him in that moment. It was good. So a lot of good moments came from the pool goalkeeper situation.

Jamil Roberts (32:23)
Yeah, for sure man, and I mean that's lovely and then obviously you extended on to the fact that your time in LAFC brought you to obviously working under Bob Bradley who took you out to Toronto and you know, you had two years there. One thing I guess is continuing on the theme of you know, contractual difficulty shall we say.

Obviously it's listed that they declined your option after your first year and you ended up re-signing. So it's funny, I actually went through a similar thing my previous club this past off-season. like, what was the details with that? Did they just want to restructure things? Were they not happy financially? Or were you not happy, you know, did something need to change on your end? What made that more complicated than it needed to be in terms of just picking up your option and going for year two?

Gregory (33:23)
Yeah, I mean, it was like a financial thing. Obviously they saw my, my, in my option year, my contract went up like a certain amount and they were like, yeah, you're not getting that. Like if we're going to bring you back here, then be like, you're not, you're not on that. So I was like, all right, fair. And then plus like a new gaffer came in, I guess he wanted to like, kind of speak with the club and staff and see, you know, if it was a right for me to return. so yeah, a couple weeks or.

Dom Okus (33:36)
Yes.

Gregory (33:53)
months, whatever it was later, they said they would bring me back on a different number. And so I ended up working out, but a lot of the times that's, that's how goes in MLS. Like if they don't like the number you're on, like they'll find a way to make sure you're not on that number and they'll get you on what they want.

Jamil Roberts (34:02)
Yeah, yeah.

No, for sure mate.

And in that interim time, obviously you re-signed, but were you looking elsewhere in that little interim time where you kind of could speak to other clubs, or was it like you were just, like you wanted Toronto, that was it, you didn't want to move on and you were waiting for their answer before you looked elsewhere?

Gregory (34:24)
Yeah, no, think, I mean, as a footballer, always have to like keep your options open. can't just be like, obviously Toronto was home for me and I got along good with the guys there and my family was super happy to be there. But,

Gregory (34:37)
as a footballer, your career is so short, so you just have to look after yourself. so always looking for like the next opportunity in the matter, like if we loved Toronto and, you know, even though my family was from there and I love the guys on the team, like you can't always like fall in love with your situation if it doesn't work for you as like a footballer. And so I was obviously looking elsewhere and, know, I ended up coming back to Toronto that year, but it was similar to this year.

where I go into the office, they decline my option and they say, like, we'll let you know, like we're going through like a change in organization with a few moving pieces. So we'll let you know like later on the off season, like if we'll bring you back. And so you just have to kind of sit tight. And so up until I signed the dotted line here in New York city, like I was still in conversations with Toronto and you know, I ended up choosing New York because Toronto just wasn't ready to, you know, move the needle on anything.

But yeah, that was a decision that like I was making throughout the entire offseason, like through November, December, when like you're getting into almost into January, almost into preseason, you're like, okay, where am I going to be in 2025, especially when you have a wife and two kids like it's it's it's mad.

Jamil Roberts (35:44)
Bro

Bro, these are things in Dom, like we talk to so many lads that, you know, have a smoother transition into football or, sorry, transition between clubs and the off season, this and that. But this is things people don't understand, right? Like, professional football, there are countless examples of lads that live in a different location every 10, 11, 12 months.

Gregory (36:02)
Mm-hmm.

Jamil Roberts (36:14)
just going from contract to contract throughout their career because they know it's short, they want to make the most of it and if the next contract is on the other side of the country they're gonna go and do it. But in any other industry that's fucking mental. you know, if you're an accountant you're not moving from New York to Vegas to LA to Chicago back down to Miami every nine months just because you might get another two grand a year more. Like, that's just not a thing. Like, football is such a silly industry like that.

Gregory (36:27)
Yeah

Dom Okus (36:41)
Yeah

Jamil Roberts (36:44)
to where, like, that could have gone on for a third year for you, Greg. To me, that's just, it doesn't make sense, it never will make sense, but for some reason in football, it makes sense.

Gregory (36:56)
Yeah

Dom Okus (36:57)
Now the maddest thing, if you compare like the corporate normal nine to five job and football is the one where it's a new manager comes in and is essentially like, you need to cut your wages in half or you got to go somewhere else. Like imagine your boss, if he was an accountant or whatever, if you use that example, coming in and saying, look, I'm sure you were great for the company and all of that, but I want to run my team like this. So you need to cut your wages in half or you need to find somewhere else to work.

Gregory (37:11)
you

Dom Okus (37:27)
There would be anarchy, right? Like, what? Tribunal law, you know, going to court, labour laws, all of this stuff, But in football, that's just accepted. That is how it goes. A new gaffer comes in and might not like you and sends you to train with the kids to get you up, right? Like, that's normal practice. yeah, football and sports is a bit, it's a different kind of fish, Different kind of fish.

Gregory (37:28)
Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (37:29)
Yeah

Mm-hmm.

Gregory (37:54)
Yeah,

it's not. It's, I mean, you have such a short career, you know, and there's like, I don't want to say like you're easily replaceable but you are, there's always someone that's just like hungry for your, they want to take your job. You know what I mean? So if you're not willing to, you know, slash your wages in half, the gaffer will find someone who will, or, you know, vice versa, whatever it is. So yeah, it's not.

Dom Okus (38:14)
Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (38:14)
Mm-hmm.

Dom Okus (38:16)
And Jam, we talk about this all the time, right? And like, especially in the USO and stuff. it's like, we're all like, and it's difficult, right? Cause like, again, players want to put food on the table, but it's difficult when you see some of the contracts that some of the players are taking, because then it's just pushing down what everyone gets paid, right? Like if you're willing to take this stupid contract, then now that's the new bar. And then the next season they cut it again. And again, it's like, well boys, we can't even make a living now if we do this.

Jamil Roberts (38:33)
Nah, literally.

Yeah Bro, I mean

that that that's one of the reasons why I stepped away from the usl was because you know I knew what I know what I was worth as a player and I saw The bar getting lowered every year and I just did this offseason for me. That was enough was enough Like, you know there comes a time where there's a number that I won't play below Do you know I mean like and obviously that in the mls?

The way that the contracts destruction and whatnot is a little bit more protection for players that clubs can't just take the piss But you know like you said

An owner, for example, can just slash the wage budget in half and the gaffer just has to deal with it and then he's got to tell his top players or his key players that, yeah, I want you but you're gonna have to take 20 grand a year less and you're meant to be okay with it. Like, no! I'm not alright with that!

Dom Okus (39:38)
Yes, insane one.

Gregory (39:41)
Yeah. It's not what

they can do to some players. Like some of the stories I've heard, mean, even myself, like when I first started in Louisville, like obviously it was a good organization, but I was, after like taxes every two weeks, I'll see in like $500 hit my account and I was playing, you know, so was like, how am I going to like, how am going to make this work? I got to get another job, which is like coaching or something like, but I mean like the

The general managers and the coaches, know what they're doing. They know who they can get on what contracts and you're just at the mercy of their decision. And so, I mean, that's football.

Jamil Roberts (40:14)
Yeah.

Gregory (40:15)
You got

10 years, 15 years of it max. if, you know, if you're lucky and so you just got to sometimes you just got to grind it up.

Jamil Roberts (40:24)
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure for most you know, I think the hope is that the lights always at the end of the tunnel but unfortunately for some players it's not But you know, that's life and everyone's gonna make their decisions along the way Now, we've kind of gone over lot in your career We talked about specific career paths and whatnot and you know your journey from the USL to the MLS and you know

I still think is fucking crazy the the MLS pool. I'll never get my head around that But I think we're I'm gonna pass it over to Dom where and we're gonna kind of lighten the mood a little bit fingers crossed Hopefully put some smiles on some faces. Maybe piss a few people off along the way We don't know but that's for Dom to go into so Dom's gonna take you through Extra time on the backstick podcast Dom take it away, mate

Dom Okus (40:54)
You

Now for those that have been following over the last 10 to 15 episodes that we've put out, we have a staple here at the Backstik Podcast and it's called Extra Time. I'm your host Dom Oakes, aka Steve Harvey with the Skin Fade. And so I'm going to take you through four questions that we have every Backstik episode. So the first question is, who's the best player you've played with?

Gregory (41:49)
Best player I've played with, like, career-wise or just like at the time? Because I played with like, obviously in the MLS you get those like marketable players that come in and so when I was in Orlando I had Nani and like his career was just mad. Obviously he was there like towards the end of it, still quality player but like, you're like this guy's walking, you're dressing and you're like, yo, like this is mad, you know? So yeah, I would say him. I would say, I would say Luis Nani.

Dom Okus (42:12)
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (42:12)
Yeah, yeah.

Dom Okus (42:18)
Okay, okay. What was he like kind of off the pitch? Like could he speak, you could probably speak decent English, right? Because obviously he'd spend a bunch of time in the Premier League, know, he's Portuguese, so he's got that kind of, know, flavour to him. like, was he cool? Because obviously coming to America obviously it's not seen in the same light as like the European League. So what was he like as a person?

Gregory (42:30)
Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, with me, he was cool. I know some of the players maybe rubbed the wrong way just because, you know, for whatever reason, but he was, he was cool with me. His apartment was actually in the building right next to mine. So his wife and my wife would hang out a little bit. And I actually went to dinner with him one time, which is like, you know, you're at dinner with Nani, you know, like just chopping it up, which it was my first year in MLS and I was like, wow, this is, this is mad. Like, this is a legend. So.

Jamil Roberts (43:00)
Hahaha

Dom Okus (43:00)
Yeah, bro.

That's crazy.

Gregory (43:08)
I would say, yeah, he was cool people, honestly. But yeah, you always get a few those, like in MLS, there's always some marketable players. Like in Toronto, I was with Bernadeski and Lorenzo and Signe, which is also, it's really cool to like be teammates with them. yeah.

Dom Okus (43:21)
But

Jamil Roberts (43:25)
They came at the same time, didn't they?

Gregory (43:27)
Yeah, they came at the same time.

Jamil Roberts (43:29)
So what was that like? Obviously you're

in the squad. You've just got two Italian internationals just walk up on the doorstep probably not even interested in speaking to anyone else just go with me and you'll just do one twos and we'll just score

Dom Okus (43:37)
You

Gregory (43:41)
Yeah,

no, that was, that was, it was cool, man. Obviously, I don't know if you followed Toronto and like all the drama going on there, but it was just, it was an interesting situation. Yeah, you know, I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool. It was cool. It was cool. Good people, good people, good people.

Dom Okus (43:57)
Alright,

cool. We'll move on to the next question. Who is the best player you've played against?

Gregory (44:12)
again, obviously maybe towards the end of his career, but Didier Drogba, like Didier, you know, like it was crazy. This was in the USL as well. This was like his, his last year, his last game, actually, I don't think he played after that. It was, he was with Phoenix Rising. We played them in the USL cup 2018 and like, I mean, you're just looking at this guy and he's like, he's just a giant, unbelievable. Like.

Dom Okus (44:18)
Yeah.

Right.

Gregory (44:40)
Yeah, I was just mad to play against him. And I heard, actually heard that like he's... This might not be true. You might have to fact check him. Someone was like, he's net like, if he's been in a cup final, he's never lost or whatever. And like he lost that USL Cup final. So if that's true, then he's only lost his, he's only lost the cup final to that Lucidy squad. So I don't know if that's true though. You can't, you can't the facts like that. But still, yeah, Didier, big up Didier. Like that was, that was crazy to play against him.

Dom Okus (45:00)
Okay.

Yeah

Jamil Roberts (45:08)
We've heard through Christian Chaney and whatnot, previously on the pod that he's a top bloke in the changing room as well. So I think he must have had a good reputation around the USL, not just for being Didier Jogba, but I think just for being a good person as well at that time. Yeah, good guy. Good at early days of the USL as well.

Dom Okus (45:24)
Good luck.

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Didier Drogba, one of my favourite players growing up, Like, just clutch, right? Like, just the definition of it, you know? Like, big game, big player, spooler. Right, the first question is, if you could go on a night out and you could pick three past or present teammates to go on a night out, who would they be and why?

Gregory (45:38)
Mm-hmm.

Also present teammates.

Dom Okus (45:57)
Yes.

I know some people are going to be upset about this one, think carefully. Think carefully. Think carefully.

Jamil Roberts (46:02)
Hahaha

Gregory (46:11)
That's top three of them, huh? Three is not enough, man. Three is not enough. mean, I had a lot of fun in Toronto, obviously. I know, I know, I know.

Dom Okus (46:12)
Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know.

Jamil Roberts (46:14)
Hahaha

You can't roll with the whole start at 11 your gaffer will find out

Gregory (46:25)
Obviously had a lot of fun in Toronto just like through the years because at home and like those are like some of my Achilles, some of my Achilles I grew up with, you know, like, and so like, it's hard for me to, and then obviously you have Lucidii, which is like literally like what we went through. I mean, you just, like, you just don't go through things like that with those irregular people, you know, so like obviously they're super special to me. So it'll have to be like a combination of like some Lucidii, some Toronto.

Dom Okus (46:34)
No.

Gregory (46:55)
Man. I'm gonna put Paco in there because me and Paco obviously got along really good. Like that's actually my dog. just, we actually got together in the off season. We went to a wedding and had a good time. So I'll put Paco in there. I'll put like my brother, Mark Anthony K. Just cause that's like my bro. He came up from Lucid and he was with me in Toronto. So that's my dog, best man at his wedding. And he was also in my wedding as well.

Dom Okus (47:03)
Mm-hmm.

Gregory (47:25)
And then another one of my good friends, I'll put Richie Leary in there because that's my dog as well, know, we freaked up a few roads before, so yeah, for those three. we did a few roads with man, so yeah.

Dom Okus (47:25)
Click.

Sick, sick, sick, sick. And then last but not least, what would you say is your biggest achievement on the pitch so far?

Gregory (47:52)
The biggest achievement on the pitch would be, it would just be in Toronto, I had a game at home and I got to have my son with me during the National Anthem at BMO Stadium, which is a stadium like, obviously when you're young, see that, you're like, yo, this is, this is, you know, this is the big leagues for us, know, it's MLS, obviously it's not no Prem or no Bundesliga or anything like that, but like for me growing up, I was like, this is what I could see like in front of me.

Dom Okus (48:06)
Dick.

Gregory (48:21)
And so to be on that pitch with my son, like I have that picture with me and that'll be like, I'll take that with me to the grave. Like that'll, that's like one of my favorite pictures of all time. So just to have that moment was super special for me and super special for my family too, just to see like, you know, my boy with me on the pitch. that's not for me. Like nothing comes close to that feeling. Like it was amazing.

Dom Okus (48:41)
Yeah,

sick. It's interesting. We've had a few folks answer the question like how you just described it, right? That folks that have won cups, right? You've won a bunch of stuff at Louisville, for example, but they always mention their family as being like a core memory for them, whether them being in the stadium, you saying your son. So it's sick to see that for fans to get an insight into like what truly matters to people, you know? So sick. That's been extra time. I'll kick it back to my word jumps.

Gregory (49:03)
Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (49:09)
ledge ledge I like it I like it was a good mixture in there yeah so just just a quick one you haven't played against Messi no because any MLS player that we have on the show that doesn't say Messi I think screw loose so you haven't played just confirming you haven't played against him okay

Dom Okus (49:13)
Meh.

Gregory (49:24)
Yeah, I I wasn't on the pitch. I wasn't on the pitch at the time, so

Dom Okus (49:25)
Ehh, hehh!

Gregory (49:29)
I can't use that. Obviously, like I've been on the bench and I've seen some crazy players in front of me, know, like because I've been through the league with Zlatan, Messi, like a lot of these guys. And I just, yeah, I wasn't on the pitch, so I couldn't use that one, you know. So, yeah.

Jamil Roberts (49:45)
Yeah,

Dom Okus (49:45)
Okay, okay.

Jamil Roberts (49:46)
yeah my The only one for me like in in that in that sense of getting coming to end of his career was Higuain and And I'll never forget. Yeah, like He was I think he'd just come back from an injury so it was his first game back was against us he only played the first half and He had the ball near me and in my head. I don't know why I just thought like I'm just I'm gonna body him like that's what I'm gonna remember from this game and I bounced off him

Gregory (49:54)
Yeah.

Dom Okus (49:55)
Coolo.

Jamil Roberts (50:14)
and andy and he just he just carried on running that i i think you like just swatted me away so yeah that that was that was an unbelievable and so it well i understand when you come across them top players it's like you have to sort of click yourself back in and now that you're just playing against them but now overall i i think that's a good time for us to wrap up there i think i think we've

Dom Okus (50:14)
Hahaha!

Gregory (50:31)
Yeah.

Jamil Roberts (50:40)
We've covered everything we wanted to and mate, I've really enjoyed that. I don't know about yourself, Dom.

Dom Okus (50:45)
Ghost man, man, it was sick. It was sick. It's funny, because I feel like people that are from Toronto are very similar to Londoners. London, New York, Toronto is kind of like a triangle in that the cities are very similar. We kind of dress the same, talk the same. So I knew it was going to be a vibe as soon as we jumped on this one,

Jamil Roberts (50:47)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's been, it's this one's been a long one in the making as well. I know I've sort of stayed in the background, let you two talk, so I'm glad that Dom's actually let me get a word in.

Dom Okus (51:13)
You scared me.

Jamil Roberts (51:19)
No, I'm joking

I'm joking but no Greg actually On a more serious note from myself. I'm from Dom. Thanks ever so much for coming on the show me We've we've really enjoyed that one and we hope you have as well

Gregory (51:33)
Yeah, no, it was a pleasure, honestly, being on here. And thank you to Paco for connecting us, because it's good to meet good people. So I really enjoyed the vibe here. And so thank you guys for having me on and chatting with me a bit. It was good vibes, man. Good vibes.

Jamil Roberts (51:42)
Mm-hmm.

Dom Okus (51:42)
Awesome.

So thank you, bro.

Jamil Roberts (51:48)
Yeah,

no, we appreciate it, mate. That's all we're trying to do, man, is, you know, we're not out to ruin anyone's career. This is just, this is football people talking football, man. So we hope you enjoyed it. And I guess that leads me on to sort of ask a question because we're 56 minutes into the show. If you're new to the show and you like what you're hearing, just go click subscribe.

Dom Okus (51:59)
That's it.

Jamil Roberts (52:17)
Go click subscribe on YouTube. If you listen on Apple, you can follow the show Spotify subscribe, you know Leave a review Leave a comment just just while you're here do us a favor Do Greg a favor if it's not for me if it's not for Dom do Greg a favor But and once you've done that

Dom Okus (52:25)
Why not?

Yeah.

Exactly!

Jamil Roberts (52:41)
All of our previous episodes are there for you to listen to as well. So catch up, go back to the beginning, Kazai Sterling episode 1, all the way up to this latest episode with Greg. You can find on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Google, Spotify, Amazon, wherever you watch or listen to your pods, we're there. But, anyway, without further ado, I think it's time that we wrap up the pods. So, from myself, and from Dom, once again, Greg, thank you ever so much for being here.

and and from the three of us thank you ever so much for listening and we'll see you next week

Dom Okus (53:18)
Peace.